President Obama Calls for Universal Background Checks for Gun Purchases

"We can't put this off any longer" — President Obama. He's wants universal background checks for gun purchases.

President Barack Obama is at the podium at the White House this this afternoon announcing his propasals to curb gun violence.

He is calling for a $500 million program to help battle the problem.

"We can't put this off any longer," Obama said.

Obama said he is signing 23 executive orders that will allow immediate action to be taken.

The president is also calling for Congress to take action:

- Enact universal background checks for anyone trying to buy a gun.

- Ban military-style assault weapons.

- Limit weapon magazines to 10 rounds of ammunition.

He's also calling for effort to put more cops on the streets in response to local budget issues across the nation that are reducing the number of cops.

"This will not happen unless the American people demand it," Obama said, calling for Americans of every background to stand up and say "enough." "We are going to need voices from those areas where the tradition of gun ownership is very strong. We are going to need to speak up."

He is calling for Americans to call their members of Congress and ask them if they support the gun-control proposals. "If they don't, ask them why not," Obama said.

Obama said he supports the Second Amendment and he supports the rights of hunters. But he also said it's also the responsibility of the nation to ensure weapons are used responsibily.

Obama announced his proposals just over a month since the deadly incident at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT. Standing with him was Vice President Joe Biden, who was tasked with developing a gun package in response to the slayings of 26 in Newtown.

On stage with them during the announcement were four children, who were among the many who wrote to President Obama in the wake of Sandy Hook Elementary.

"Let’s do the right thing for them, and for this country we love so much."  Obama said. "The most important changes we can make depend on action from Congress. They need to bring these proposals up for a vote." 

The president's proposals:

  • Require criminal background checks for all gun sales.
  • Take four executive actions to ensure information on dangerous individuals is available to the background check system.
  • Reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban.
  • Restore the 10-round limit on ammunition magazines.
  • Protect police by finishing the job of getting rid of armor-piercing bullets.
  • Give law enforcement additional tools to prevent and prosecute gun crime.
  • End the freeze on gun violence research.
  • Make our schools safer with more school resource officers and school counselors, safer climates, and better emergency response plans.
  • Help ensure that young people get the mental health treatment they need.
  • Ensure health insurance plans cover mental health benefits.

Reaction to the proposals

After the president's speech, reaction has started to come out to his proposals.

U.S. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-NY:

"The American people are saying enough is enough and are demanding common sense solutions. Congress has an obligation to act and prevent tomorrow’s senseless deaths by coming together and ensuring that guns stay out of the hands of criminals and the dangerously mentally ill.  

“Keeping our children safe from the scourge of gun violence is not a Republican or a Democratic principle; this is an issue for all Americans. There is no political ideology that finds this loss of life acceptable. Keeping our children safe from the scourge of gun violence should not be a partisan issue, or even a pro-gun or anti-gun issue. 

“The absence of any federal law defining gun trafficking in this country is shocking. It is time to give law enforcement the tools they need to keep illegal guns off the streets and out of the hands of dangerous people. By cracking down on illegal gun traffickers and their vast criminal networks, we can stop the flow of illegal guns and reduce the violence that plagues too many communities around New York and across the country. 

“And we should be able to agree that no American should have access to the high-capacity ammunition clips made for our military. We should be able to agree on fixing our broken background check system and banning military-style weapons that have no recreational sports use.

 “I am grateful the President is showing the leadership we need with a comprehensive approach that addresses gun safety and mental health. I hope my Republican colleagues will join us on these reasonable common sense reforms that preserve the rights of law abiding gun owners and also protect our families.”

U.S. Rep. Eliot Engel, D-Bronx/Westchester: 

“I commend Vice President Biden for taking on the challenge of formulating a plan, and doing so in quick fashion following the unspeakable tragedy of the children and teachers murdered in their classrooms.  President Obama has proven with his announcement that he is committed to take serious action to tackle the many issues which factor into the dynamic which leads to a society where more children die of gun violence than soldiers in combat zones,” said Rep. Engel.

The Ranking Member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee continued, “I am very pleased to see that the President is calling for Congressional action on an assault weapon ban.  The previous ban should never have been allowed to expire.  Independent from the full assault weapons ban, I again call for the President to reinstate the ban on imports of assault weapons, a ban enforced during the administrations of Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton.  This is something he can do immediately by Executive Order, while Congress works on reinstating and strengthening the full assault weapon ban.  The first President Bush responded to the growing threats to law enforcement from the use of assault weapons by drug traffickers, and following the Stockton schoolyard massacre in 1989, implemented this imported assault weapons ban.”

Here is the text of the announcement by President Obama and Vice President Biden:

THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Before I begin today, let me say to the families of the innocents who were murdered 33 days ago, our heart goes out to you.  And you show incredible courage -- incredible courage -- being here.  And the President and I are going to do everything in our power to honor the memory of your children and your wives with the work we take up here today.

It’s been 33 days since the nation’s heart was broken by the horrific, senseless violence that took place at Sandy Hook Elementary School -- 20 -- 20 beautiful first-graders gunned down in a place that's supposed to be their second sanctuary.  Six members of the staff killed trying to save those children.  It’s literally been hard for the nation to comprehend, hard for the nation to fathom.

And I know for the families who are here that time is not measured in days, but it’s measured in minutes, in seconds, since you received that news.  Another minute without your daughter. Another minute without your son.  Another minute without your wife.  Another minute without your mom.

I want to personally thank Chris and Lynn McDonald, who lost their beautiful daughter, Grace, and the other parents who I had a chance to speak to, for their suggestions and for -- again, just for the courage of all of you to be here today.  I admire the grace and the resolve that you all are showing.  And I must say I’ve been deeply affected by your faith, as well.  And the President and I are going to do everything to try to match the resolve you’ve demonstrated. 

No one can know for certain if this senseless act could have been prevented, but we all know we have a moral obligation -- a moral obligation -- to do everything in our power to diminish the prospect that something like this could happen again.

As the President knows, I’ve worked in this field a long time -- in the United States Senate, having chaired a committee that had jurisdiction over these issues of guns and crime, and having drafted the first gun violence legislation -- the last gun violence legislation, I should say.  And I have no illusions about what we’re up against or how hard the task is in front of us.  But I also have never seen the nation’s conscience so shaken by what happened at Sandy Hook.  The world has changed, and it’s demanding action.

It’s in this context that the President asked me to put together, along with Cabinet members, a set of recommendations about how we should proceed to meet that moral obligation we have.  And toward that end, the Cabinet members and I sat down with 229 groups -- not just individuals, representing groups -- 229 groups from law enforcement agencies to public health officials, to gun officials, to gun advocacy groups, to sportsmen and hunters and religious leaders.  And I’ve spoken with members of Congress on both sides of the aisle, had extensive conversations with mayors and governors and county officials. 

And the recommendations we provided to the President on Monday call for executive actions he could sign, legislation he could call for, and long-term research that should be undertaken. They're based on the emerging consensus we heard from all the groups with whom we spoke, including some of you who are victims of this god-awful occurrence -- ways to keep guns out of the wrong hands, as well as ways to take comprehensive action to prevent violence in the first place. 

We should do as much as we can, as quickly as we can.  And we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  So some of what you will hear from the President will happen immediately; some will take some time.  But we have begun.  And we are starting here today and we’re going to resolve to continue this fight.

During the meetings that we held, we met with a young man who’s here today -- I think Colin Goddard is here.  Where are you, Colin?  Colin was one of the survivors of the Virginia Tech massacre.  He was in the classroom.  He calls himself one of the “lucky seven.”  And he’ll tell you he was shot four times on that day and he has three bullets that are still inside him. 

And when I asked Colin about what he thought we should be doing, he said, “I’m not here because of what happened to me. I’m here because of what happened to me keeps happening to other people and we have to do something about it.”

Colin, we will.  Colin, I promise you, we will.  This is our intention.  We must do what we can now.  And there’s no person who is more committed to acting on this moral obligation we have than the President of the United States of America.

Ladies and gentlemen, President Barack Obama.  (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you, everybody.  Please have a seat.  Good afternoon, everybody. 

Let me begin by thanking our Vice President, Joe Biden, for your dedication, Joe, to this issue, for bringing so many different voices to the table.  Because while reducing gun violence is a complicated challenge, protecting our children from harm shouldn’t be a divisive one. 

Over the month since the tragedy in Newtown, we’ve heard from so many, and, obviously, none have affected us more than the families of those gorgeous children and their teachers and guardians who were lost.  And so we’re grateful to all of you for taking the time to be here, and recognizing that we honor their memories in part by doing everything we can to prevent this from happening again.

But we also heard from some unexpected people.  In particular, I started getting a lot of letters from kids.  Four of them are here today -- Grant Fritz, Julia Stokes, Hinna Zeejah, and Teja Goode.  They’re pretty representative of some of the messages that I got.  These are some pretty smart letters from some pretty smart young people. 

Hinna, a third-grader -- you can go ahead and wave, Hinna. That’s you -- (laughter.)  Hinna wrote, “I feel terrible for the parents who lost their children…I love my country and [I] want everybody to be happy and safe.”

And then, Grant -- go ahead and wave, Grant.  (Laughter.)  Grant said, “I think there should be some changes.  We should learn from what happened at Sandy Hook…I feel really bad.”

And then, Julia said -- Julia, where are you?  There you go -- “I’m not scared for my safety, I’m scared for others.  I have four brothers and sisters and I know I would not be able to bear the thought of losing any of them.”

These are our kids.  This is what they’re thinking about.  And so what we should be thinking about is our responsibility to care for them, and shield them from harm, and give them the tools they need to grow up and do everything that they’re capable of doing -- not just to pursue their own dreams, but to help build this country.  This is our first task as a society, keeping our children safe.  This is how we will be judged.  And their voices should compel us to change.

And that’s why, last month, I asked Joe to lead an effort, along with members of my Cabinet, to come up with some concrete steps we can take right now to keep our children safe, to help prevent mass shootings, to reduce the broader epidemic of gun violence in this country. 

And we can't put this off any longer.  Just last Thursday, as TV networks were covering one of Joe’s meetings on this topic, news broke of another school shooting, this one in California.  In the month since 20 precious children and six brave adults were violently taken from us at Sandy Hook Elementary, more than 900 of our fellow Americans have reportedly died at the end of a gun -- 900 in the past month.  And every day we wait, that number will keep growing.

So I’m putting forward a specific set of proposals based on the work of Joe’s task force.  And in the days ahead, I intend to use whatever weight this office holds to make them a reality. Because while there is no law or set of laws that can prevent every senseless act of violence completely, no piece of legislation that will prevent every tragedy, every act of evil, if there is even one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there is even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try.

And I’m going to do my part.  As soon as I'm finished speaking here, I will sit at that desk and I will sign a directive giving law enforcement, schools, mental health professionals and the public health community some of the tools they need to help reduce gun violence.

We will make it easier to keep guns out of the hands of criminals by strengthening the background check system.  We will help schools hire more resource officers if they want them and develop emergency preparedness plans.  We will make sure mental health professionals know their options for reporting threats of violence -- even as we acknowledge that someone with a mental illness is far more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the perpetrator. 

And while year after year, those who oppose even modest gun safety measures have threatened to defund scientific or medical research into the causes of gun violence, I will direct the Centers for Disease Control to go ahead and study the best ways to reduce it -- and Congress should fund research into the effects that violent video games have on young minds.  We don't benefit from ignorance.  We don't benefit from not knowing the science of this epidemic of violence.

These are a few of the 23 executive actions that I’m announcing today.  But as important as these steps are, they are in no way a substitute for action from members of Congress.  To make a real and lasting difference, Congress, too, must act -- and Congress must act soon.  And I’m calling on Congress to pass some very specific proposals right away.

First:  It’s time for Congress to require a universal background check for anyone trying to buy a gun.  (Applause.)   The law already requires licensed gun dealers to run background checks, and over the last 14 years that’s kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun.  But it’s hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases are conducted without a background check.  That’s not safe.  That's not smart.  It’s not fair to responsible gun buyers or sellers. 

If you want to buy a gun -- whether it’s from a licensed dealer or a private seller -- you should at least have to show you are not a felon or somebody legally prohibited from buying one.  This is common sense.  And an overwhelming majority of Americans agree with us on the need for universal background checks -- including more than 70 percent of the National Rifle Association’s members, according to one survey.  So there’s no reason we can’t do this.

Second:  Congress should restore a ban on military-style assault weapons, and a 10-round limit for magazines.  (Applause.) The type of assault rifle used in Aurora, for example, when paired with high-capacity magazines, has one purpose -- to pump out as many bullets as possible, as quickly as possible; to do as much damage, using bullets often designed to inflict maximum damage. 

And that's what allowed the gunman in Aurora to shoot 70 people -- 70 people -- killing 12 in a matter of minutes.  Weapons designed for the theater of war have no place in a movie theater.  A majority of Americans agree with us on this. 

And, by the way, so did Ronald Reagan, one of the staunchest defenders of the Second Amendment, who wrote to Congress in 1994, urging them -- this is Ronald Reagan speaking -- urging them to “listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of [military-style assault] weapons.”  (Applause.) 

And finally, Congress needs to help, rather than hinder, law enforcement as it does its job.  We should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals.  And we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this.  Since Congress hasn’t confirmed a director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in six years, they should confirm Todd Jones, who will be -- who has been Acting, and I will be nominating for the post.  (Applause.)

And at a time when budget cuts are forcing many communities to reduce their police force, we should put more cops back on the job and back on our streets.

Let me be absolutely clear.  Like most Americans, I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. I respect our strong tradition of gun ownership and the rights of hunters and sportsmen.  There are millions of responsible, law-abiding gun owners in America who cherish their right to bear arms for hunting, or sport, or protection, or collection. 

I also believe most gun owners agree that we can respect the Second Amendment while keeping an irresponsible, law-breaking few from inflicting harm on a massive scale.  I believe most of them agree that if America worked harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one that occurred in Newtown.  That’s what these reforms are designed to do.  They’re common-sense measures.  They have the support of the majority of the American people. 

And yet, that doesn’t mean any of this is going to be easy to enact or implement.  If it were, we’d already have universal background checks.  The ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines never would have been allowed to expire.  More of our fellow Americans might still be alive, celebrating birthdays and anniversaries and graduations. 

This will be difficult.  There will be pundits and politicians and special interest lobbyists publicly warning of a tyrannical, all-out assault on liberty -- not because that’s true, but because they want to gin up fear or higher ratings or revenue for themselves.  And behind the scenes, they’ll do everything they can to block any common-sense reform and make sure nothing changes whatsoever. 

The only way we will be able to change is if their audience, their constituents, their membership says this time must be different -- that this time, we must do something to protect our communities and our kids. 

I will put everything I've got into this, and so will Joe.  But I tell you, the only way we can change is if the American people demand it.  And by the way, that doesn’t just mean from certain parts of the country.  We're going to need voices in those areas, in those congressional districts, where the tradition of gun ownership is strong to speak up and to say this is important.  It can't just be the usual suspects.  We have to examine ourselves and our hearts, and ask ourselves what is important. 

This will not happen unless the American people demand it.  If parents and teachers, police officers and pastors, if hunters and sportsmen, if responsible gun owners, if Americans of every background stand up and say, enough; we’ve suffered too much pain and care too much about our children to allow this to continue -- then change will come.  That's what it's going to take.

In the letter that Julia wrote me, she said, “I know that laws have to be passed by Congress, but I beg you to try very hard.”  (Laughter.)  Julia, I will try very hard.  But she’s right.  The most important changes we can make depend on congressional action.  They need to bring these proposals up for a vote, and the American people need to make sure that they do. 

Get them on record.  Ask your member of Congress if they support universal background checks to keep guns out of the wrong hands. Ask them if they support renewing a ban on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.  And if they say no, ask them why not.  Ask them what’s more important -- doing whatever it takes to get a A grade from the gun lobby that funds their campaigns, or giving parents some peace of mind when they drop their child off for first grade?  (Applause.)

This is the land of the free, and it always will be.  As Americans, we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights that no man or government can take away from us.  But we've also long recognized, as our Founders recognized, that with rights come responsibilities.  Along with our freedom to live our lives as we will comes an obligation to allow others to do the same.  We don’t live in isolation.  We live in a society, a government of, and by, and for the people.  We are responsible for each other. 

The right to worship freely and safely, that right was denied to Sikhs in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.  The right to assemble peaceably, that right was denied shoppers in Clackamas, Oregon, and moviegoers in Aurora, Colorado.  That most fundamental set of rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- fundamental rights that were denied to college students at Virginia Tech, and high school students at Columbine, and elementary school students in Newtown, and kids on street corners in Chicago on too frequent a basis to tolerate, and all the families who’ve never imagined that they’d lose a loved one to a bullet -- those rights are at stake.  We’re responsible.

When I visited Newtown last month, I spent some private time with many of the families who lost their children that day.  And one was the family of Grace McDonald.  Grace’s parents are here. Grace was seven years old when she was struck down -- just a gorgeous, caring, joyful little girl.  I’m told she loved pink. She loved the beach.  She dreamed of becoming a painter. 

And so just before I left, Chris, her father, gave me one of her paintings, and I hung it in my private study just off the Oval Office.  And every time I look at that painting, I think about Grace.  And I think about the life that she lived and the life that lay ahead of her, and most of all, I think about how, when it comes to protecting the most vulnerable among us, we must act now -- for Grace.  For the 25 other innocent children and devoted educators who had so much left to give.  For the men and women in big cities and small towns who fall victim to senseless violence each and every day.  For all the Americans who are counting on us to keep them safe from harm.  Let’s do the right thing.  Let’s do the right thing for them, and for this country that we love so much.

Robert Guttman January 17, 2013 at 06:52 PM
The U.S. Government did not use Winchester lever-action rifles prior to World War I, they used the bolt-action 30-40 Krag, and before that they used the "Trapdoor" Springfield.
Nyack Resident January 17, 2013 at 07:04 PM
I'm sorry....did you forget about the patriot act?
James Adnaraf January 18, 2013 at 01:05 AM
I have stated my support for gun controls as long as they do not materially lessen the right of law abiding citizens to bear arms. I have also stated that I believe these controls will have a minor impact at best on this awful violence, but that something is better than nothing. However, I would ask the supporters of gun control as some sort of strong, effective, medicine to tell us which historic atrocity would have been avoided by the Cuomo laws: Columbine, Virginia Tech, Tucson, the Colorado movie massacre, the Sandy Hook Tragedy? Which one? Gun control, modestly useful, and grossly oversold by its supporters.
Dan Seidel January 18, 2013 at 04:17 AM
Abby: thanks for the clarification on the PL. I guess having the badge has it's perks. Puttin' on the Ritz!
Tim January 18, 2013 at 04:55 AM
Stopped? None. Limited, perhaps some. Tucson shooter used a Glock 19 with a 33 round magazine and was tackled when he went to reload. He would have had to reload a lot sooner with a ten round mag. That said, Loughner wasn't a trained expert. Anyone with moderate training can reload and fire in under two seconds... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QhmSg3UjEU
Bjorn Olsson January 18, 2013 at 05:11 AM
Did anyone NOT cry about this shooting?
Bjorn Olsson January 18, 2013 at 05:14 AM
This is a very good point. The drone wars are pretty scary stuff, a lot of the post 9/11 Homeland Security stuff is. Obama unfortunately has chosen to compound it. Should we accept other nations hunting what they consider criminals on US soil too? With bombs?
Bjorn Olsson January 18, 2013 at 05:18 AM
For one thing, every illegal gun has at some point been a "legal" one. Who sold the gun to the criminal?
Bjorn Olsson January 18, 2013 at 05:26 AM
Teleman, 1-Weapons modeled on military weapons, especially those capable of high rate of fire. 2. Why would ANYONE need more than 3-4 bullets for anything legal? Don't care what the "standard" is. Change the law and adopt a new standard. 3: If guns can be traced back to the last legal owner, and that person can be held responsible for the gun ending up in a criminal's hand, that should certainly make people think a little harder, don't you think? 4. I agree that somehow eliminating future shooters Vanilla Sky style seems far fetched. However, improving the mental health system overall can only be good. 5. Yup. 7. Many of these seem to be strenuously resisted and impeded by NRA lobbying. 8. How do you know? 9. Which rights, specifically? You have a right to bear arms as part of a well-regulated militia, constitution says nothing about self defense, sport or hunting.
GC January 18, 2013 at 03:19 PM
Issy, the fact that you have to ask that question underscores my point. your use of the word "multifacted" is just that; a word with no meaning behind it. It is just cloud cover for the agenda that you have bought into. I wish you peace.
GC January 18, 2013 at 03:39 PM
Bjorn, 1) The civilian version of the "military style weapon" uses essentially the same sorts of bullets as small game-hunting rifles, fires at the same rapidity (one bullet per pull of the trigger), and does the same damage, It has just been made to look like a military weapon. 2) A magazine, which is basically a metal box with a spring, is easy to make and virtually impossible to stop criminals from obtaining. 3) If someone steals your car and runs over a child, should you be held responsible? 4) I agree too. 5) We agree on 2 in a row! Who would have thought! 6) did you intentionally skip THIS one?? 7) See 1, 2 & 3... 8) 2 studies by criminology professors Chris Koper and Jeff Roth for the National Institute of Justice state: "the evidence is not strong enough for us to conclude that there was any meaningful effect" of the 1994 assault weapons ban. 9) A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
GC January 18, 2013 at 03:41 PM
Yes, it is all about him. This has become about the rights of the individual, which have little meaning these days.
'nough said January 18, 2013 at 04:06 PM
I want to know how this bill will cost $500 million to enact...would love to see that budget line by line....
Teleman January 18, 2013 at 04:43 PM
Interesting Rasmussen poll- 65% of ADULT americans see gun rights as a protection from tyranny. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/gun_control/65_see_gun_rights_as_protection_against_tyranny
Dan Seidel January 18, 2013 at 08:50 PM
well well: apparently NBC ADMITS NO BUSHMASTER RIFLE USED IN NEWTOWN: ONLY FOUR HANDGUNS http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-admits-no-assault-rifle-used-in-newtown-shooting/ Any comments? You know mine.... we have a gun grab going on - martial law follows - yeah: it can't happen here!!! WWII was only 70 years ago.....
Bjorn Olsson January 18, 2013 at 08:56 PM
Teleman: 1-Isn't the AR-15 very similar to the M16? 2-Why not make any weapons able to hold a clip illegal, just allow guns where you have to load every bullet if you have to have it? It's hard to see why you would need even 6 bullet clips. 3-The car analogy is silly in all these debates. But to go along: if someone steals your gun, you should report it stolen, otherwise it would be considered sold, how's that? 6-Yes, because I don't know what a straw sale is. 9-If I ever saw this well-regulated militia, maybe I'd go along with you.
Teleman January 18, 2013 at 09:18 PM
Although the investigation is not complete and has been silent as of late, there was a lot of misleading information in the days following the tragedy. The gun police are seen removing from the car in the video is clearly not an AR type rifle. But if an AR type rifle was used, it would not be in the back of the car, it would probably be in the school- which is what police have reported. We really need to see a completed investigation to know what really happend
Teleman January 18, 2013 at 09:25 PM
Bjorn, yes AR15 is SIMILAR to an M16 so? If you made anything that could hold a detatchable magazine ( clip is the wrong term) you are elininating EVERY semi-automatic firearm. And since semi-automatic firearms make up the majority of firearms purchases, you are outright banning just about everything.
Teleman January 18, 2013 at 09:28 PM
Read an interesting article on how bama was throwing a complete bo bo fit because they had to heavily modify his anti-2nd amendment speech. The original speech had him calling for a lot more anti-2nd amendment stuff, but Harry Reid got back to him and said it'll never pass through the house or senate. isn't that a shame.
GC January 18, 2013 at 09:38 PM
1) No, since the assault weapon ban was first passed, AR-15 is semi only. 2) You think the car analogy is ridiculous, yet think that making something "illegal" will make it go away. Passing laws on magazines will be as effective (and enforceable) as drug and immigration laws. P.S. murder is illegal too. 3) I'll agree to the latter part. Very few legal guns owners will avoid themselves of the responsibility of gun ownership. Freedom of the individual and personal responsibility goes hand in hand. That's why so many are against true freedom and liberty these days. 6) The term "straw sale" means when one person agrees to make a purchase on behalf of another who can't make the purchase legally himself. This doesn't apply to guns only. Like someone buying beer for an underage teen. 9) It doesn't say the civilian is under the auspices of the militia, they are 2 separate entities protected by the constitution. That is why the amendments were added. The states didn't feel the original constitution went far enough in protecting the individual's rights and limiting the federal government’s powers. If you find the constitution cumbersome and obstructive, then it's working exactly as it should. P.S. all these laws being passed to get around constitutional freedoms are themselves illegal, as they contradict the supreme law of the land.
Dan Seidel January 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM
Now why would I want an AR-30 lying around my house in reach if necessary? the extreme, but THE reason behind the 2nd Amendment: get used to your Constitution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYI1PY-b-ro
Dan Seidel January 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM
here's another link to the MTYV advertisements on Martial Law aired on TV/Cable: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mtv+martial+law+ads&oq=mtv+martial+law+ads&gs_l=youtube.3...723.1590.0.2315. chilling.......
Bjorn Olsson January 19, 2013 at 12:10 AM
Then I'd say 65% of American's have not really given this much serious thought. If "The Government" decided to enforce "tyranny", whatever you mean by that, how would they do that? Would they use the military? Would the military go along with it? If they do, what would you actually be able to do to stop them with even an AR 15?
Bjorn Olsson January 19, 2013 at 12:12 AM
Teleman: that would be fine with me. Hunting rifles, shotguns etc that could hold a couple of manually inserted bullets would be more than anyone would ever need.
Bjorn Olsson January 19, 2013 at 12:17 AM
Dan, that is a ridiculous video. Can you explain on what grounds you think this is an even remotely plausible scenario in the US today? (Guantanamo Bay is another story, of course)
Issy January 19, 2013 at 02:58 AM
So if you read it, it must be true (care to reveal the source of such nonsense?) And bama is actually the President of this great nation so show some respect for the United States and call the President by his proper name.
Scott Petricig January 19, 2013 at 03:31 AM
That "news report" was I believe a day after the incident, and there was a still a lot of BS floating around at that point. There has been no corroboration for this theory from any reliable sources. And they said something about "many officials" reporting that the AR-15 was in the trunk but they don't mention anyone specifically. I do not believe this theory and neither should anyone else.
Dan Seidel January 19, 2013 at 04:22 PM
No offense intended here: but think like a Jew - now think like a lefty Jew who grew up with telephone taps and opened mail (taped back together - from E. Germany, etc....), gov't survelliance at times (family dossier pages!!) - you are probably not a Jew - I am- I'd rather have the AR15 next to the bed.
Dan Seidel January 19, 2013 at 04:24 PM
More Newtwon News: who was the "SWAT" guy running away from the school? who were the two others observed running from the school? Your guess is as good as mine at this point. NO ONE HAS CELL PHONE VIDS? NOT A ONE? huh? http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2013/01/sandy-hook-mystery-man-identified-why-did-this-off-duty-swat-officer-armed-with-a-gun-run-off-into-the-woods-instead-of-helping-the-students-2447820.html
Dan Seidel January 19, 2013 at 04:28 PM
I read the same piece - think it was from NewsMax or Breitbart - seems plausible - the MObama speech was bascially throwing the job to Congress - honestly? except for registering every doctor and every American on some psych list and maing things expensive and confusing, MObama was milque toast compared to Ubersthurmfurher Cuomo and his Brownshirt Dems - that was a putsch.


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